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SUPERPERFORMANCE POWDER

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Hogdgon have announced they will be releasing two new powders in early 2011. The LEVERevolution and SuperPerformance powders will enable safe duplication of the velocities of Hornady's Superformance and Leverevolution lines of premium ammunition. :shock: :D

See http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammunition ... index.html

I have been trying to get the Superperformance Hornady ammo for my 7mm-08 for months without any success. Anyone used this ammo (or the Hornady Light Magnum ammo)?

Reloader 17 had been touted as producing higher velocities but appears not to have delivered. Has anyone had much luck with Reloader 17?

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A full case of Rl17 in the 308 gave great accuracy, but low velocities. No had much of a chance to experiment any more with it. It does burn much cleaner than Rl 15, 19, 22. The batch of Rl 15 I have smokes like black powder when shooting it.
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I am going to try Rl 17 in the 7.5 Swiss when I get a chance.
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Spartan wrote: I have been trying to get the Superperformance Hornady ammo for my 7mm-08 for months without any success. Anyone used this ammo (or the Hornady Light Magnum ammo)?
There are two distributors of Hornady in Australia, Herrons, based in Sydney, & Outdoor Sporting Agencies, in Melbourne.
The latter company http://www.osaaustralia.com.au/ammunition.php/1/2 seem to be happy to respond to emails from my experience and on ship to dealers who mail order. If your local is giving you the run around you might want to go direct ;)

As for the powder, I'm intrigued that they are essentially claiming all there fast ammo is due to just one powder with the one burning rate :think:

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The problem with fast powders, are they have a high nitroglycern content, and are hard on barrels.
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From what I have read the superperformance (SP for short) aren't achieving "new" velocities just those of factory ammo from the '60's & 70's that are now seldom achieved due perhaps to fear of litigation.

Case in point is the .270 win with 130g SST at 3200fps - the SP is only replicating the load that gave the .270 it's foot hold as the poor mans magnum when it first came out. I still have an Australian reloading guide from the '70's listing Nobel & Norma powder loads to easily achieve such velocity - whether they are safe to use in the Northern Territory when it reaches 45C in the shade is another matter :think:

Perhaps SP powder is nothing more than old powder technology with a new coating to increase stability :think:

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I have used Hornady Light Magnum and Federal High Energy in the 308 and 375 H&H. And Federal High Energy in the 300 Win Mag.

They do offer more velocity, but what is of more importance to me is accuracy, and those loads were accurate.

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I have been trying to get the Superperformance Hornady ammo for my 7mm-08 for months without any success. Anyone used this ammo (or the Hornady Light Magnum ammo)?
Yes, I bought several boxes for my Sako 7mm-08 Finnlight and got great groups at 100 yds. with a 20 7/8" barrel. Recently got some in .300 winmag to try with my R93.

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Hogdgon have started publishing some of the data for their two new powders to be released January 2011. See http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/SuperLever.pdf

The stats for the 22-250 SP are of interest;

60 GR. HDY V-MAX Hodgdon Suprform .224" 2.350" 39.0 3390 45,500 PSI 43.0C 3738 60,000 PSI
60 GR. HDY V-MAX Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.350" 33.0 3318 52,200 PSI 35.8 3503 60,400 PSI

63 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon Suprform .224" 2.350" 38.0 3294 44,600 PSI 42.7C 3674 61,400 PSI
63 GR. SIE SP IMR IMR 4064 .224" 2.350" 33.0 3269 50,800 PSI 35.3 3499 62,900 PSI
63 GR. SIE SP IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.350" 33.0 3287 51,500 PSI 35.5 3502 62,700 PSI
63 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.350" 29.5 3039 39,500 CUP 34.0 3426 50,400 CUP

70 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon Suprform .224" 2.330" 37.0 3206 50,500 PSI 40.8C 3499 63,700 PSI
70 GR. SPR SP IMR IMR 4350 .224" 2.330" 36.0 3162 54,500 PSI 38.2C 3324 62,500 PSI

I agree NE450, it is all about the accuracy.... and... "the proof is in the pudding" - we'll have to wait and see.

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I would be curious to see what you could get out of the 9.3X62 with the Leverevolution powder, it just seems made for the round.
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Corjack wrote:The problem with fast powders, are they have a high nitroglycern content, and are hard on barrels.
Dunno about nitroglycerin content of the superformance powder, but i do know it isn't a "fast powder" in the traditional sense. In fact, it is kinda a slow powder. It has a broad range of different burn rates, so that rather than getting a single peak at one given point of time, you get a range of rates of combustion over a much longer period of time than a conventional powder. With a conventional powder, you get a single spike in pressure at a given point in time, which must be kept below SAAMI or CIP specs. Even with a slow powder, you still get a spike, it just occurs later and lasts a bit longer. All acceleration of the projectile is over very rapidly. With superformance, you get up to that pressure point very fast, and instead of it falling away exponentially, you get a long plateau. This tends to maintain the acceleration of the projectile for much further down the barrel, hence the extra velocity without extra pressure. The peak pressure is the same, but it is maintained much, much longer. It shouldn't wear barrels more. In fact, if you just used the powder to duplicate loads that you already have, you will use less powder, and generate lower pressures. Well that's the theory. Real world experience is often a little different!

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Will be interesting to see real world results, and in our case, availability.

In a number of the cartridges I load for I'm aware that I could achieve higher velocities with Alliant's Reloader series powders than with ADI products, thus far, availability has won over velocity even though I'm only reloading a few hundred rounds per year. I have an intense annoyance at developing a load with something that become unavailable soon after you've reach that magic one hole combo :evil:

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Has anyone shot Hornaday superformance ammo, and how did that go?

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Mackensie wrote:
Corjack wrote:The problem with fast powders, are they have a high nitroglycern content, and are hard on barrels.
Dunno about nitroglycerin content of the superformance powder, but i do know it isn't a "fast powder" in the traditional sense. In fact, it is kinda a slow powder. It has a broad range of different burn rates, so that rather than getting a single peak at one given point of time, you get a range of rates of combustion over a much longer period of time than a conventional powder. With a conventional powder, you get a single spike in pressure at a given point in time, which must be kept below SAAMI or CIP specs. Even with a slow powder, you still get a spike, it just occurs later and lasts a bit longer. All acceleration of the projectile is over very rapidly. With superformance, you get up to that pressure point very fast, and instead of it falling away exponentially, you get a long plateau. This tends to maintain the acceleration of the projectile for much further down the barrel, hence the extra velocity without extra pressure. The peak pressure is the same, but it is maintained much, much longer. It shouldn't wear barrels more. In fact, if you just used the powder to duplicate loads that you already have, you will use less powder, and generate lower pressures. Well that's the theory. Real world experience is often a little different!
By fast powder, I meant a high energy, double base powder.
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Powders containing Nitro Glycerine such as double based powders, show more erosion characteristics in the leade area of a rifle barrel as compared to single based powders which are Nitro Cellulose based.

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