Which is lower?
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TheWhitetailNut
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Which is lower?
I'd like the scope to be as low as possible. So, which combination would be mounted lower?
Swarovski Z6i 1-6SR on Blaser Rail
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Swarovski Z6i 1-6 in 30mm Low Blaser Rings
Swarovski Z6i 1-6SR on Blaser Rail
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Swarovski Z6i 1-6 in 30mm Low Blaser Rings
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Re: Which is lower?
from my experience there is not much difference in height (But I haven't measured it) if there is some at all. BUT the advantages of the SR Rail are much more significant (stress free assembling, no ring marks on the tube, recoil proof, ... ) so I would not take the rings anywhere if not necessary!
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Re: Which is lower?
I believe the only disadvantage the rail has over the rings is if taking long range shots and running out of adjustment and not having a bubble level . Where you can purchase moa rings to get more elevation out of the scope. But that is a none issue in this scenario .Pigeon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:51 am from my experience there is not much difference in height (But I haven't measured it) if there is some at all. BUT the advantages of the SR Rail are much more significant (stress free assembling, no ring marks on the tube, recoil proof, ... ) so I would not take the rings anywhere if not necessary!
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Re: Which is lower?
I went through the whole measuring height, weighing. thing with rail and rings many years ago.
The differences, if any, were so slight that I didn't bother remembering them or making notes of them.
My K95 has one scope in low rings and one on a rail. I can notice no difference switching from one to the other, an haven't measured to see if there is any.
Some of the older rail mounts are fiddly, crappy things with many screws, and much potential for trouble.
The modern rails, particularly the Blaser mount, have no such issues.
Get the rail, for all the reasons Pigeon listed, to which I would add ease of setting up and adjusting eye relief..

The differences, if any, were so slight that I didn't bother remembering them or making notes of them.
My K95 has one scope in low rings and one on a rail. I can notice no difference switching from one to the other, an haven't measured to see if there is any.
Some of the older rail mounts are fiddly, crappy things with many screws, and much potential for trouble.
The modern rails, particularly the Blaser mount, have no such issues.
Get the rail, for all the reasons Pigeon listed, to which I would add ease of setting up and adjusting eye relief..
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Re: Which is lower?
Yeah, I love rails.
So easy to mount, no ring marks, strong and look better, just in my opinion of course.
So easy to mount, no ring marks, strong and look better, just in my opinion of course.
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Re: Which is lower?
Rail it is, hopefully it will make the .458 Lott more recoil resistant. Thank You all!
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Re: Which is lower?
secondtry wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:50 pm I went through the whole measuring height, weighing. thing with rail and rings many years ago.
The differences, if any, were so slight that I didn't bother remembering them or making notes of them.
Get the rail, for all the reasons Pigeon listed, to which I would add ease of setting up and adjusting eye relief..![]()
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Exactly. I've studied it from end to end and the difference is very minimal. Take your two heights and your load and run them through the Swarovski ballistic calculator. You'll be surprised how little difference there is. The biggest thing is which one fits your cheek weld the best. The height is irrelevent.
BTW you might want to find a base that is machined with the teeth machined into the rail mount. The Blaser one is really purdy but the teeth are glued in. I've had 2 let loose over the years and with the 458 Lott you'll be even more likely to break the glue loose. I understand that the Innomount and the Hennenberger are machined into the mount. Haven't been able to lay my hands on either one to verify. The Gun Star mount has steel teeth but they too are glued into place.
Lastly isn't the Lott a little big for whitetails?
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Re: Which is lower?
right - absolutely right. Both Henneberger and Innogun there are the teeth machined from the solid steel - much better detail then the original Blaser mount - and cheaper as well... No problems with them so far, so a very good alternative!thechamp wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:28 amBTW you might want to find a base that is machined with the teeth machined into the rail mount. The Blaser one is really purdy but the teeth are glued in. I've had 2 let loose over the years and with the 458 Lott you'll be even more likely to break the glue loose. I understand that the Innomount and the Hennenberger are machined into the mount. Haven't been able to lay my hands on either one to verify. The Gun Star mount has steel teeth but they too are glued into place.secondtry wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:50 pm I went through the whole measuring height, weighing. thing with rail and rings many years ago.
The differences, if any, were so slight that I didn't bother remembering them or making notes of them.
Get the rail, for all the reasons Pigeon listed, to which I would add ease of setting up and adjusting eye relief..![]()
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https://www.titanium-gunworks.de/hms-samo.html

and
https://www.titanium-gunworks.de/innomo ... ntage.html

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Re: Which is lower?
I have just received a Henneberger from Titanium Gunworks, very very good quality. The mounting feet attach the same way as the Blaser saddle mount but use a torx head for adjustment.
Very solid and good quality steel.
Very solid and good quality steel.
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Re: Which is lower?
LOL, I'm a deer hunter through and through, but plan to hunt Cape Buffalo in 2020. I never thought I would actually get to Africa but made it for my 39th Birthday last May for Plainsgame.
I'll check the other mounts
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Re: Which is lower?
Pigeon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:52 am
right - absolutely right. Both Henneberger and Innogun there are the teeth machined from the solid steel - much better detail then the original Blaser mount - and cheaper as well... No problems with them so far, so a very good alternative!
https://www.titanium-gunworks.de/hms-samo.html
and
https://www.titanium-gunworks.de/innomo ... ntage.html
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Be really nice if you could post some pics of both the Henneberger and Innogun Swarovski rail mounts with the screws removed and detail shots of the machined teeth. Seems no one on the internet has figured out what the customer wants to see BEFORE he orders a mount.
Also post some weights so we know what each one weighs.
Thanks Klaus... appreciate the trouble.
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When I get some in my hands again on next orders I try to make some pics of the details...
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Re: Which is lower?
some more details maybe, but not the teeth yet:




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Re: Which is lower?
Well I took the easy way out and asked Pigeon to send me the one he feels is the best product. Price wise it's so close it doesn't matter.